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Health Wealth and Happiness with Gary Pozsik



Gary Pozsik Radio: How to Live Young & Healthy at Any Age

Guest: Enoch Debus

Welcome to Health, Wealth, and Happiness, a fast-paced informative hour-long program dealing with physical, emotional, and mental health issues, consumer information, and money management, as well as the arts, theater, travel, entertainment, social and civic events, brought to you by the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Specialty Clinics, the Institute for Partnerships to Eliminate Health Disparities, the Newberry Opera House, the South Carolina Philharmonic, supplements manufacturer AJ Lanigan, Leon Jones insurance, and the Mitchell House and Gardens.

And now here is the host of Health, Wealth, and Happiness, Gary Pozsik.

Gary: Good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to Health, Wealth, and Happiness. AJ Lanigan normally fills the slot on Tuesday. But he’s out of the country. And in his place, he has invited Enoch Debus. Enoch is 71 years old and according to AJ, looks like he’s in his 40s and acts like he’s in his 40s.

And he’s going to talk today on how to live young and healthy at any age. And it’s really all about diet and exercise. And that’s not to say that Enoch has not had his own health issues to battle. He has. He’s overcome them all. From 1:30 to a quarter of 2:00 each Tuesday, Jack Thompson stops by with his weekly commentary as he sees it.

And my final guest of the day will be Jerry Stephenson, who is artistic director of the Columbia Children’s Theater that will begin their presentation this weekend of Hairspray Jr., a very, very popular musical. So I hope you’ll stay tuned for the entire program and welcome making his first appearance on health, wealth, and happiness, Enoch Debus. Good to have you here.

Enoch: Thank you, Gary.

Gary: No doubt about the fact that many years ago you were involved in a horrific accident in which the doctors told you you’d never walk again. And you beat those odds. And you’ve had other issues, a second accident in which you were told, “We’ve got to take out your gallbladder. We’ve got to take out your appendix.” And you said, “Uh, I don’t think so.”

And really you’ve overcome these issues in part by what you eat and by exercise. And you’re not a gym rat. You’re not spending hours a day pumping iron and in the gym. You say you’re steady at what you do. But you’re not a freak about it.

Absolutely, Gary. I believe balance in all things. If you’d like, I can give you a rundown of how I start my day if you’re interested?

Gary: Sure. Please do.

I get up at about 4:30 in the morning. And I start with a little prayer to my Creator and let him know how much I appreciate and love Him. And what that does for me, it sets me off with a very positive note, believing that whatever is possible for me to do that day, I can do it with His help. But I’ve got to do my part. So I just pray and expect it to happen. We’ve got to be very active, believing, strong individuals.

So then I go to the kitchen immediately. I drink about 16 to 20 ounces of water. And I like to pop in some Beta Glucan. It’s a fantastic product I’ve been using lately. And it’s really added to my life. And what I’ll do after that, I’ll take about a teaspoon of organic extra-virgin oil, drop in three drops of essential oil clove, and swash that around in my mouth for about 15 to 20 minutes.

And while I’m doing that, I start my exercises. I try to kill two birds with one stone there. And I don’t do anything to work up a sweat. A lot of people may. But it doesn’t work up a sweat with me. I do a lot of calisthenics, stretches. And I go into a lot of reps. And towards the end, I’ll do my hundred crunches and some other stomach exercise along with that. And then I’ll go into 100 push-ups. And then I’ll go ahead and add about 25 pounds around my neck and ankles and do about three sets of 25 pull-ups.

About that time, I’m doing pretty good. And I go out and empty my mouth out. And I take about a tablespoon of Bragg’s cider vinegar. The reason why I named the brand is because it’s the only one that brings along with it an alkaline balance to your pH, which is very important to me to overcome that acid which we normally pick up over the night.

And in that tablespoon of Bragg’s cider vinegar, I’ll put about a half to a teaspoon of raw honey, unprocessed, unrefined. And I’ll get it as local as possible. So that’s about the first thing that hits my stomach. And it’s got any enzymes to it or whatever to get me going. And then I’ll go ahead and take up anywhere from probably 3 to 5 fruits. And I’ll eat those. And a lot of times, that’s my breakfast for the day. But more times than not, I’ll go into a grain breakfast. And if you’d like, I’ll let you know what I put in my grain breakfast. Would you like to know that, Gary?


Everything here is fresh. Everything is in seed form. And I put it into my magic bullet, which will grind it down to a powder. I put 1 tablespoon of each of these products. I take my flax seeds, sesame seeds, poppy seeds, sunflower seeds, Chia seeds, quinoa seeds. And I’ll go ahead and spin that off. And I’ll boil in my teapot. And I use a glass teapot. And I’ll boil that water so it’s boiling. I’ll put it in a bowl. I’ll dump the powder in. I’ll take a fork and I’ll mash it down, spread it evenly

And then I’ll put in there about a tablespoon and a half of organic maple syrup. I like to get the darkest I can. And if you’ve got friends up north, you can get the C. Otherwise, you’re only going to be able to get A and B. And Trader Joe’s is a very good place to get it. They’ve got organic. And they’ve got a very reasonable price.

And I’ll usually put maybe 1 ounce or two of coconut milk or almond milk in that. And I’m ready to enjoy a delicious, energy packed breakfast. Gary, the energy I get from that is unbelievable. And it can hold me all day if I have to. But I don’t like to do that.

And by the way, I use glass for everything: storing, prepping, eating out of, cooking out of. And the reason why that is there’s no toxins at all in glass. And it’s green basically.

Gary: Now, one of the things you had told me in our conversation yesterday with that you have never prepared anything in the microwave. Why is that?

Well, Gary, when they first came out, I remember when I was a young man and they first came out. And I just felt inside it wasn’t good. I began to do research on it. And I found out it actually changes the makeup of the molecules of the food that you’re going to eat. And it’s not really consumptual. It’s not ready for human beings to eat. It’s changed everything. The body doesn’t recognize it. And it brings problems along the way. Believe me.

And there’s plenty of research out there now to back it up. And I’ve just never bought into it. And it’s worth it for somebody going in researching. And believe me. What I’m saying is true. And it can change your health a whole lot. Everything adds up, I find out, along the way. So I add things along the way. When I find something that really works for me, I put it on the agenda. And I’ll tell you, I definitely feel better as I go along.

I’m 71, like you mentioned. And I am stronger, have more energy. And this will blow your mind. When I was in the Marine Corps, we used to do sprints and whatnot. I can run faster than when I was in the Marine Corps, literally. So I’ve got nothing but gratefulness for the discipline I’ve been given in my life by a choice that I made myself. I was around people when I was younger that lived completely opposite. They didn’t care about the body at all. Myself, I consider this body is my tent. If I don’t take care of it, it’s not going to take care of me.

When I feel healthy, I can do things that most people could never even dream of doing. I’ve been blessed to be able to travel all over the world. And whatever country I go to, I am ready for the temperature of the time of day. I acclimate immediately. I think this could be natural for anybody if we try to live a natural lifestyle.

For instance, I never use air conditioning. I don’t need it. I have my windows open for cross ventilation, a ceiling fan going. In the wintertime, I keep it right around anywhere from 60° to sometimes 65°. I’ve got people come over to visit. And I’ve got to warm it up for them. But I like to have it nice and cool. So when I go outside, my body doesn’t get shocked, both in the winter and in the summer time.

I like both winter and summer. When I was younger, I heard everybody say, “I can’t wait until winter it’s because it’s so hot.” Summertime, vice versa. As a little boy, at that age, I thought, “I don’t care what it’s going to be. I’m going to enjoy it.” And you know, dad gum, it’s been that way my whole life. I made a choice when I was young. And I’ve learned along the way we make the choices. And we can make our world comfortable, happy, pleasant to be around. Or we can be the last person you want to be around. We make that choice from the time we wake up in the morning until we go to bed.

And I’ve got no reason to complain. I’m very fortunate. I’ve had a lot of challenges in life physically, as you mentioned. I have fallen from heights before by accident, truck accidents, and been disabled for months on end,

actually three years with one accident. And I refused to have the surgery on my leg. I refused to have the surgery on my gallbladder, my appendix, exploratory surgery they wanted to do. And I backed off. I said, “Thank you, but no thank you.”

I got cancer in 2009. And I understand why I got it because when I was younger, I was poisoned by rat poison one time. I had asbestos poisoning. I had led poisoning. I was in the military overseas. And they fed us poison over there, as you might have heard, a number of men came back with. So I wasn’t surprised because actually 2009 I had a lot of big jobs going from 2006. And I was under a lot of stress. And I was enjoying it. But I found out later it doesn’t matter what kind of stress. If you’ve got too much, it’s going to throw things out of balance.

And I was forced not to be able to do my diet as strong as I wanted to because I was in another state. And it was going 15 hours a day. So I was aware when I got it. I didn’t go to a doctor until 2010 when they weren’t healed. The wounds stayed running through the blood. And she took these biopsies. They came back positive. And she called the surgeon there. She set up a date for me to go.

And I’m walking out. I said, “Ma’am, is there anything I can do to help myself?” She said, “Nothing at all.” I said, “What happens if I don’t have the surgery?” It was between my eyes. She said, “Well, the roots are going through the eyes. In six months you’ll be totally blind. And a couple months after that, you will be a dead man.”

I looked at her. I smiled and walked out. As I’m going to my car, I said, “I don’t buy that. I don’t believe that.” I did go to the surgeon. I met him. I had him do the measuring and everything. And then I said, “How long have I got before you think it’s really too late?” He said, “I’ll give you a month. You can have a month off.” I said okay. He was a very fine doctor. He was a Jewish man, very proper, very polite.

And a month later I got a call from his office. And I said, “I won’t be needing to come.” They said, “Are you sure? We’re here when you’re ready.” I said, “Thank you.” And I never went back. The cancer is gone. It was gone in a few months. They told me not to go out in the sun. And ever since then, every day that I can, I’ll get from 40 to 60 minutes on each side. And that sunshine is a natural healer if you don’t overdo it.

God designed his creation for things to work in balance. The sunshine is not bad. The rain is not bad. But too much of anything out of balance will bring chaos to the body. So I thank the good Lord I don’t have cancer. I don’t have any pains in my body. I do my exercise every morning. I go to the gym about three days a week for both social and physical activity. I love it. But, as you said, I’m not a freak about it. An hour or an hour and a half for three days a week I think is worth preventive maintenance.

I will pause there for a minute and let you kind of take over, Gary.

Gary: Well, one of the things I’d like to revisit with you is how do you think you overcame cancer? You said that you decided, “I’m not going to follow the advice of a learned doctor and a learned surgeon.” And I understand you’re a very devout man. And that’s great. But how do you think, aside from a divine intervention, you overcame cancer?

This is what I believe, Gary. 2009 when this came on me, I noticed these growths on my cheek and between my eyes and on my wrists. And right away I thought, “Cancer. Hmm, I didn’t think I’d ever get this.” And I began to think about it. And throughout the year, I didn’t want to go and find out. And I was surprised that I had that reaction.

So I had some hidden fear there, I really do believe. And that motivated it. And finally when I submitted to go, got it out in the open, I knew what it was. And when I was hit with a challenge, as I said, when I walked out of that office, I said, “I’m not going to believe that.” And I did go home. I got on my knees. And I said a prayer. I said, “Lord, I pray that you give me wisdom so I can do my part so that you can do your part.”

And all of a sudden, I had this desire to make a concoction I call today Kick ‘Em Juice. I share it with many people. They love it. And do you want me to tell you the ingredients?

Gary: Sure.

I won’t tell the portion because I’m going to be bottling this soon. [Laughs] But basically I get organic, the best ginger I can get. And I will take a certain amount, quite a bit. I’ll chop it up. I’ll put it in clean water, meaning not tap water, either filtered water or reverse osmosis. And I’ll bring the water to a boil. And then I’ll put the ginger in. And I’ll brew it—not boil it—but brew it for about 30 minutes straight.

I found out over the years that ginger has many things that’s great for healing the body, both raw and cooked, and cooked a long time. So I cook that for 30 minutes. And then I put in a bunch more chopped garlic, raw. And I put along with it quite a few habanero peppers, jalapenos, and whatever hot peppers are in the season that I can get, organic if possible. If I can’t get the organic, I will still use the peppers, seeds and all.

I chop them up. I add them into the brewing for about 10 minutes. And it’s not real hot. But you don’t want to stick your finger in it and let it sit because it will probably cook it. But the stuff I put in, it doesn’t destroy the enzymes. It keeps the enzymes alive so they can do their part. And after 10 minutes of that, I take and put it in a blender. I pulverize it, make it liquid form, seeds and all. I do not filter it. I then pour it into glass containers.

And you must watch it when you take the lid off because it will knock you back. I’m telling you, the power in it is unbelievable. So I’ll put it in a gallon jug. And then I’ll take it out of that importance of quart jars. And I’ll cut it. And I’ll make about 16 ounces at a time. I make it fresh

From there on, this is what I use. I’ll take maybe a lemon, fresh, or lime, organic, or prickly pear or a number of fruits I’ll use. And I’ll squeeze the juice out, put it in the 16 ounces. I’ll drop about 2 to 3 ounces of essential oil, usually lemon or lemongrass, which purifies things in itself. And then I’ll add maybe a quarter or a half a teaspoon of organic maple syrup.

And I’ll put that in that bottle. I’ll shake it up. And I’ll drink it. And it gives me such energy, Gary, unbelievable. I use it for my workouts. And a lot of guys, they’ll have these energy drinks. And obviously most of them are very detrimental to your health. They don’t help you at all physically. It will give you energy. But it’s not good for you.

But the stuff I drink, it gives me good, clean energy. And it’s unbelievable, the strength and the vitality it gives you. And I’ll drink that. And that’s basically what I did. And I did my part. And God did his.

We’ll take a break and come back with more right after this. With us is Enoch Debus, who is 71 years old. And if you’re listening, he doesn’t sound it. You can tell he doesn’t act it. And he’s talking about how to live young and healthy at any age. And it’s all about diet and exercise. Most of the things that he takes are not store-bought things that you buy at GNC or some other health food store. They’re things that he has developed himself that he’s found that work for him, from curing cancer to keeping him vital.

And there are two things that I’ve learned in talking with you, Enoch. One is you’re very disciplined. You do things basically the same way every day. And that sets you apart from most people who say, “Well, that works for you, Enoch. And what you talked about, couldn’t you just break that down into a tablet or a pill or a capsule? I can respect what you’re doing. But, see, I don’t have the time for that. So couldn’t you just put it in a pill for me?

Well, the thing is, a little bit of time now—I call it preventive maintenance—is going to give you a lot of time later on. And I’ll tell you the truth. I don’t look forward to necessarily dying at 100. A friend told me a couple of weeks ago, “Hey, brother, the way you live, you’re going to live to be 100.” I looked at him real seriously. And I said, “What do you have against me? What’s wrong with the 120?” And I was serious.

So, tell me something, if I would save, say, 20 minutes a day or an hour a day

by doing the things, preventive maintenance, that gives me a ready to do at any time day or night, in the middle of night, I can jump out of bed better than I was a teenager seriously, if an hour a day isn’t worth maybe 20, 30, or 50 years on your life, which one do you want to do? Do you want to take the pills? Or are you willing to spend a little time preparing your food properly, eating the right stuff, doing exercise, getting involved in arts that’s going to be creative to you that’s going to give you another type of energy and doing things like this? I would say, “My friend, make your choice.”

And unfortunately, along the years, I have shared with many people. And a few have converted over. And they’re tickled pink. And they thank me every time I see them. But the bulk of them, just like you said, “I want it in the tablet form. I don’t have time for that. I don’t have the energy.”

I say, “Well, I’ll help you get started. I’ll do it with you. I’ll come over and show you how to prepare your food. I’ll take you shopping and show you.” And nine times out of 10, they smile and say, “That’s okay for you.” But as you know, Gary, you’ve got to make a choice.

Gary: Now, in terms of food that you eat, you’ve talked about fruits and vegetables. Do you eat fish? Chicken? Do you eat red meat? Do you stay away from carbohydrates? Just what exactly do you eat?

Well, how about if I tell you what I had for lunch today? I had 100% grass fed beef. And I emphasize the 100% because you can go get grass fed beef, but it isn’t the real 100%. Unless it’s 100%, you’re getting some antibiotics in there. You’re getting some grains in there. So it’s got to be labeled 100% grass fed. And you have nothing added, nothing that’s going to bring harm to the body. You don’t have antibiotics. You don’t have any of these drugs, growth drugs or anything. You don’t have any grains that are GMOs.

So, yes, I do eat red meat. Very seldom do I have the red meat. However, I do eat fish probably twice a week. And I make sure it’s wild, Gary. I’m very fussy on that. And it also has to fall in line with the guidelines that I follow in the holy scriptures that I believe in, which speaks about clean and unclean. And I followed that to the T.

And in my research, I found out a lot of people die from metal toxins because of the bottom feeders they eat: crayfish, oysters, clams, and whatnot. So I will only eat a fish. And I love fish. It’s my favorite. I love salmon. But it’s got to be wild. I love tuna. And I think all your tuna’s wild.

The fish has got to have scales and fins. If it’s got scales and fins and it’s wild, I’m going to cook it up. And I do like sushi. I lived in Maui. And I ate quite a bit raw tuna, yellowfin tuna. And it is far superior than any cooked fish I ever had. But unless I’m in Maui, I don’t eat the tuna around here because if it comes from different waters, I just don’t feel that good about it being what I like.

And chicken, I do eat chicken. I like chicken. I’ll have it probably twice a week. And I use organic pastured. Make sure the chickens have freedom to go out and pasture and get their bugs and insects and whatnot and get the stuff out of the earth that they like and that’s going to make them healthy.

And as far as eggs, I love eggs. But they’ve got to be fertile. They’ve got to be from organic hens. And they’ve got to be fertile. So, yes, to answer your question, I enjoy fish, chicken, eggs, and red beef. I do not do pork. However, I remember when I was in Algeria, unbeknownst to me, I had somebody treat me to a nice dinner. And it was delicious. It was camel. Well, camel is not a clean animal. So that was the only time I ate it. But it was simply delicious, to be honest with you. [Laughs]

Gary: Did it taste like chicken? Because anytime you eat an exotic animal, everybody always says, “Yeah, it tastes a lot like chicken.”

Enoch: It tasted like no me to never eaten. It was probably the best tasting meat, other than fish, which is not a meat. But it’s the best meat I had ever eaten. It’s far superior. I love venison. And this is better than venison. I couldn’t believe it.

Gary: I’ll be darned. Interesting. I had a very dear friend of mine who was in Vietnam. And he spent a lot of time in Cambodia even though we were told that we didn’t have any troops in Cambodia. And he spent almost 2 years there. And he said, “I’ve learned not to ask what it was that I was eating because I really didn’t want to know.” But he said, “I lived by this: if I looked in the bowl and it was moving, I didn’t eat it.”

He said, “Other than that, we were hungry and we ate.” He said, “When I first got there, when I couldn’t understand is all these Cambodians, we were going through really dense jungle. And they had all these dogs with them. And I thought why are all these dogs following the troops? They make noise. You wouldn’t think there would be dogs.”

But then he said, “After I had been with them a couple weeks, I noticed what happened to that brown dog? Oh. I got it after a while. We were eating those dogs, you see. Yeah. So I learned not to ask because sometimes it was monkey. And sometimes it was rat. Those people over there, they eat everything, and I mean everything: cockroaches, anything. So I came to the point if it were moving in the bowl, I didn’t eat it. Otherwise, I ate it.” So I thought you’d appreciate that.

[Laughs]. I do, Gary!

And I appreciate so much you coming and sharing your story and your philosophy and your way of life because it is certainly unusual. It’s different. It obviously works for you and would work for a lot of other people if they are disciplined enough to do it, to try it, but more importantly, to stick to it. And I thank you for coming and sharing on Health, Wealth, and Happiness.

Enoch: Gary, you’re very welcome. And I thank you for having me. I appreciate you, sir. And you and your listeners have a wonderful, blessed day! 


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